So may thoughts and idea, yesterday, that finding one object of focus was in the end impossible.
Looking at Tim Lenton’s article on ‘tipping points’, the most likely candidate for irreversible change sooner rather than later is the Greenland Ice Sheet (GIS). This is based on the best estimates for inducing persistent melting in excess of accumulation as perhaps not more than a 1-1.5C change in the global mean temperatures from the present. As always, there are many other factors to consider, but allowing that they have been considered, the chances of global temperatures rising by this amount in this century are extremely good, and as an outlier, the chance of a sufficient warming to bring the process to the ‘edge’ happening in the next twenty or thirty years is not trivial.
As is clear from current conditions and recent satellite measurements, we cannot ignore the possibility that we are closer to a persistent, if not irreversible, reduction of the GIS than most estimates allow for; there is a small chance that we are already seeing the ‘beginning of the end’. If we accept that no change in emissions policy will operate rapidly enough or soon enough to prevent further warming of at least 1C and, more plausibly, not less than 2C over the coming decades, then the conclusion that the GIS will reach a ‘tipping point’ this century does not seem unreasonable.
EDIT: See, for example, Fettweis, The Cryosphere Discussions.
Then there is the important question of rate of melt. Hansen (2007) reckons that 100 years could see the loss of the majority of the GIS and consequent sea level rise. Lenton allows at least 300 years. Previous estimates of 1000 years seem to be increasingly less likely, as the recent rate of changes in the Arctic encourages science to review its estimates of how quickly such massive changes could, in principle, happen.
Estimates put global sea level rise at 6 meters or so if the GIS melts completely. There surely would be no argument that a six-metre rise in a hundred years would be ‘catastrophic’, even a six metre rise in a semi-smooth curve (there is some evidence that SL ‘hops’ rather than increases smoothly in response to such changes) over 300 years is not to be easily pushed aside. Though this might add only 30cms by 2100 to other factors causing sea level rise, and maybe 75 cms by 2200, thiss added to the IPCC’s (almost certainly conservative) estimate of 57+- 20, excluding the GIS, by 2100, gives us close to a metre this century and more than two metres by 2200. Allowing for tidal ranges and storm surges, a one metre rise could result in local rises under the right conditions of 6-10 metres, or 20-30 feet; more than enough to overwhelm existing flood defences in most palces on the globe. A two metre rise places at least six megacities at risk of sufficient inundation as to render them no longer viable as centres of commerce or habitation. London is one of these cities.
None of the above considers the side effects of such scenarios, which in themselves may well be significant. What, for example, do we expect to happen to the people of Bangladesh, if the third of their country which is already marginal due to seasonal flooding then becomes uninhabitable? Are we to leave them to deal with the problems arising? Do we expect thirty million or more people to simply sit and wait to die? Where, if not Bangladesh, are these people to find a home?
One side-effect occurred to me which I haven’t seen discussed (which doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been, so if you know, please tell me…) is the Geological implications of a mass balance shift on the scale of a loss of the GIS. It is reasonable, surely, to expect such a huge loss of mass over such a large area to result in shifts in the tectonic plates, if not a global, then at least a regional-scale readjustment. Add to this the relative increase of pressures from great volumes of water elsewhere, and the likelihood of some kind of adjustment seems to increase.
What would be the consequences of this? At least earthquakes, and probably new and violent volcanic activity, might plausibly be expected. Then you add this risk into the mix of risks which have already been added up. And then you add the feedbacks into the climate system and the regional earth system. I don’t know what might or might not happen, but I’d be interested to find out how much this particular matter has been considered.
Then there were the thoughts about public doubts about climate change. The Sterman articles provided by Steve Bloom seem to attribute inaction or misunderstandings about the need for mitigation broadly to various kinds of ignorance. Whilst I agree that ignorance is a characteristic of much scepticism, it is also manifest in the more common stance of acceptance and concern about climate change. As such, it is probably not a sufficient, or a necessary, condition for scepticism. It is also important to note that scepticism is also an attitude amongst some intelligent and well-informed people, including a small number of scientists.
The psychological approach of Climatedenial.org is attractive in some ways, but also – and this is more intuitive – does not feel adequate to explain the response of those who have decided that CC is not the problem that many others believe it is. This, in turn, led to the observation, which is probably trivially true, that there are at least two distinct brands of scepticism, which therefore probably have different derivations and thus require different treatment. As the dominant form in terms of number is the ‘reasonable doubt’ of those members of the general public who aren’t willing to bow to peer pressure and simply accept what they are being ‘fed’ by the media, this is the form which most needs attention.
I have previously approached this doubt by asking why people feel this way and then working through the responses, but this has a limited effect; whilst some recognition can be generated that some at least of the causes of doubt are irrational, yet still the doubters return to their default position. So I am going to experiment with a different approach, which is to examine these doubts in terms of underlying needs/ absences/ fears. If we can identify the object if dissatisfaction in this way, much as Advertising agencies seek to identify a need or absence which a product can satisfy, in the absence of competition, then we may be able to find a ‘product’, in terms of communication, which provides a doubter with the missing element, and thus encourages her or him to actively reconsider and then adjust her or his behaviour.
That’ll do for now. Be good.

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August 20, 2007 at 12:12 pm
john mann
Hello Fergus
I think the loss of the GIS will cause tectonic activity along existing faults in the vicinity of Greenland as a result of the isostatic rebound resulting from the weight removal.
But I don’t think the the re-distributed mass will be sufficient on a local scale to cause any changes to global tectonic activity
August 20, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Dennis
In addition to the points you made about why people may doubt are factors that arise from our evolutionary history. We tend to value the near more than the far, the now more than the then, the oncrete more than the abstract and the minimalization of cognitive dissonance more than the exposure the more and more opportunities to find truth that no knowing brings. And less intelligence makes all of these factors stronger players.
The points you made, while excellent, did remind me of the more and more discredited argument from economics that all the players in the economics game are rational players.
We (en masse) are demonstrably not rational players economically nor are we rational with respect to environmental concerns. The issues born of the base of Maslow’s heirarchy speak to us with much more power than the dangers that may face our children from hypothetical ice melts.
August 20, 2007 at 1:44 pm
fergusbrown
John, Hi; I agree with you that this seems likely. How might such activity effect, for example, regional aerosol levels or local water temperatures? In other words, is there anything beyond speculation on what impacts such activity might have? I think back to the ‘micro-quake’ material from earlier this year, and wonder whether such shifts might serve to further exacerbate the instability of the GIS, or accelerate the process of mass-balance losses.
Hi, Dennis: you seem to be saying that, if our climate doesn’t knock us back, then our ignorance (which appears to be increasing with time, rather than decreasing) will probably do the job.
In terms of climate change and denial/doubt, I am reminded of the Ravenous bugblatter beast of Thraal…
August 21, 2007 at 12:34 am
S2
I’ve wondered about the geological implications as well, but have not so far found anything that helps.
For what it’s worth, I imagine that sea-level rise will have very little impact. A few extra metres of water isn’t likely to vary the pressures between tectonic plates by any significant amount.
I agree that isostatic rebound is likely. Wikipedia quote a figure of around 7.5 cm pa for rebound at the start of the Holocene glacier retreat. I don’t think that’s likely to lead to an increase in volcanic activity in Greenland, though – there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of this happening in the last glacial retreat (at least not in Scotland).
Earthquakes? I imagine so, and I hadn’t thought of this adding to the instability of the GIS. I suppose it could, but by then it would be rather academic as we would already have seen rather a large amount of melting.
Iceland might be more of a problem, as it is already volcanically active (some of it’s eruptions take place beneath the ice sheets).
Dennis wrote:
“The issues born of the base of Maslow’s heirarchy speak to us with much more power than the dangers that may face our children from hypothetical ice melts.”
I had to look up Maslow’s hierarchy.
Interesting, but I’m not sure I fully understand it. If someone was lacking in the lower layers (say ill-health or lack of job security), I could understand them ignoring a dim and distant threat – but I can’t understand (from the hierarchy) why this would lead them to argue that the threat wasn’t there.
I must have misunderstood something.
I do like the bugblatter analogy, though.
August 21, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Nils Simon
Re geological consequences, there was a paper in Science last year titled Seasonality and Increasing Frequency of Greenland Glacial Earthquakes which stated that “glacial earthquakes on Greenland show a strong seasonality as well as a doubling of their rate of occurrence over the past 5 years.” Needless to say, seasonal variability means much more earthquakes in summer compared to winter months.
In general, I am very startled by what I read recently about ice sheet stability, but I mentioned that already in the google group and don’t want to repeat it here. To me, the interesting question at hand does not seem to be if the ice sheet(s) will collapse any more, but merely when (and how quickly).
August 21, 2007 at 11:14 pm
fergusbrown
That was the one; thanks for the reminder, Nils. I seem to remember that there was also some discussion of ‘ice-quakes’ as a possible explanation for the seismological activity. The tone of your comments reminds me to point out that we need to be careful that we understand what a ‘collapse’ is meant to be, as well as remember that time-scales, whilst being to some extent of the essence in this matter, are probably the most uncertain thing of all…
regards,
At least now I know why I occasionally get visitors from the Globale Umweltpolitike site (have I spelled it right?).